Archive____Obama Administration 3
Edited Mar 2, 2010 8:58 pm
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- Mar 1, 2010 8:32 pm (#2940 of 2954)
Far as I can tell--he's right, and we're wrong (i.e.: "liberal").
- Mar 1, 2010 8:33 pm (#2941 of 2954)
Again, I just wonder how his universe--his actually physical and social environment--supports his astounding hubris in the face of the fact that he is wrong about almost everything he expounds upon.
Is it, like, The Truman Show for blowhards?
- Mar 1, 2010 8:40 pm (#2942 of 2954)
Maybe IB is the subject of a lifelong prank-TV show for Japanese television.
- Mar 1, 2010 8:59 pm (#2943 of 2954)
He's making a very technical argument and demonstrating an absolute lack of subtlety of thought. We try in vain to explain the nuance of the political situation during the War while he rigidly points to insignificant technical facts that only in the most tenuous way support his claims.
I'm inclined to think he has a personality disorder and enjoys frustrating others.
- Mar 1, 2010 9:30 pm (#2944 of 2954)
My god, Red, are you posting about yourself?
- Mar 1, 2010 10:06 pm (#2945 of 2954)
Whether or not it was "good" that Congress told President Ford "no" when he asked for the bombing money, can be debated here.
It could be debated, what was the backlash at the next congressional election?
Talking point tip: Democrats increased their majority.
McLovin - Mar 1, 2010 10:10 pm (#2946 of 2954)
"What I said is that Nixon's bombing forced North Vietnam to come to the table and sign the Peace Accords in 1973."
Yes, you did, and you were typically full of shit when you said it.
- Mar 1, 2010 10:12 pm (#2947 of 2954)
I suppose you could ask it in the most basic way: was it a 'good' thing that we carpet-bombed Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, three nations that never attacked us, mostly populated with civilians?
And that we dropped on them (apparently) more tonnage of bombs than were dropped on the Nazis, the Japanese, in fact than were dropped in the whole of WWII?
And if this was a good thing, why?
McLovin - Mar 1, 2010 10:17 pm (#2948 of 2954)
"These were primarily former South Vietnamese and Cambodian people who risked their lives to leave Southeast Communist Asia for America on homemade rafts."
Let me get this straight: Just Fucking Stupid thinks that the boat people rafted to America...
Another sigh of relief that this dimwit doesn't actually work as an Arizona public school history teacher...
- Mar 1, 2010 11:19 pm (#2949 of 2954)
Perhaps Thor Heyerdahl stopped by on his way and picked them up.
If you'll pardon a post related to the Obama administration: recently Bill Maher made some good points about how he'd like to see Obama be more aggressive. He mentioned that once during the previous administration someone mentioned to Cheney how unpopular some of the administrations actions were, I don't remember what exactly. Let's say it was the handling of the war in Iraq. Anyway, Cheney's response was: "So?"
Maher said he disagreed with the Bush administrations's policies, but he admired their chutzpah, and he wished Obama were more like that. Like if someone said to Obama that there were some misgivings in the public about universal health care, it'd be nice to see him say, "So? We were elected, so suck it!" He said universal health care was sort of like taking a dog to the vet: You don't explain why you're doing it to the dog, you just do it for the dog's own good. He said lots of Americans don't understand that they are three branches of Federal government, so universal health care is going to be way over their heads. He said if Obama just rammed universal health care through, ruthlessly, stepping on as many toes and upsetting as many apple carts as he needed to do in order to get it done, 10 years from now the teabaggers would eventually forget there were against it, and they would love it, and they'd be marching around yelling, "Keep your dirty government hands off of my public health insurance!"
- Mar 2, 2010 4:03 pm (#2951 of 2954)
The only problem is the Obama plain is more favorable to the big insurance companies than it is to the American people.
Ailbhe
- Mar 2, 2010 4:14 pm (#2952 of 2954)
Maher said he disagreed with the Bush administrations's policies, but he admired their chutzpah, and he wished Obama were more like that. Like if someone said to Obama that there were some misgivings in the public about universal health care, it'd be nice to see him say, "So? We were elected, so suck it!" He said universal health care was sort of like taking a dog to the vet: You don't explain why you're doing it to the dog, you just do it for the dog's own good. He said lots of Americans don't understand that they are three branches of Federal government, so universal health care is going to be way over their heads. He said if Obama just rammed universal health care through, ruthlessly, stepping on as many toes and upsetting as many apple carts as he needed to do in order to get it done . . .
Chutzpah like Hitler's in Germany in 1933?
Maher's got to be joking. Universal health care is crucial in our complex society, but use of dictatorial powers to achieve it is a step on a very slippery slope.
- Mar 2, 2010 5:36 pm (#2953 of 2954)
I do agree Obama is being too timid--or perhaps the forces against him are too strong.
But if he was as ruthless as the Bush administration was… it might be a good thing.
Ailbhe
- Mar 2, 2010 8:35 pm (#2954 of 2954)
Can't agree . . . ruthlessness a la Cheney/Rumsfeld was despicable in the Bush administration, and it would be despicable in the Obama administration. Two wrongs don't make a right, regardless of the reason.
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