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kcnative - Nov 2, 2006 3:45 pm
Edited by South Stands Junkie Aug 6, 2007 9:41 am
Argue politics here.
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- Jul 18, 2007 5:27 pm (#2834 of 2984)
bronco militia - Jul 18, 2007 10:16 am (#2832 of 2833)
The last President taught America's youth that blowjobs weren't really sex. This administration has taught that it's far better to send other people to fight wars, and keep your butts in college
this line of thought gets my fucking blood boil every fucking time I hear, read, or watch it.
no one is forced to join the military!!!!!!!
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I took it as a "put your money/mouth is" thang
- Jul 18, 2007 5:30 pm (#2835 of 2984)
I took it as a "put your money/mouth is" thang
it doesn't work that way......the military is not for everyone.
- Jul 18, 2007 5:31 pm (#2836 of 2984)
Oh i know i wouldn't be able to do military life. Maybe not nec. the job - but the environ would drive me nuts.
- Jul 18, 2007 5:31 pm (#2837 of 2984)
And Josh, if it is a money/mouth thing, then how does that compare with my examples?
- Jul 18, 2007 5:33 pm (#2838 of 2984)
Oh i know i wouldn't be able to do military life. Maybe not nec. the job - but the environ would drive me nuts.
well, according to Les, you're a chicken hawk
- Jul 18, 2007 5:49 pm (#2839 of 2984)
Militia, you're only a chickenhawk if you're of service age during these wars, and you mimick the current Veep & manage to avoid enlisting, while standing on a bully pulpit and proclaiming that you strongly support this particular war.
This entire administration is populated with rampant chickenhawks.
This debacle in Iraq is the most unjustified war America has fought since Vietnam. Most of us learned that, then. And yes, Josh...that's exactly what this sentiment is.
You know what makes my blood boil? Seeing any vehicle adorned with those stupid fck'n magnets which proclaim the driver or occupants support the war.
Here's a hot tip. Through the billions that Bush has spent on this fiasco, we're all gonna end up supporting it, whether we want to or not...over the coming years.
Don't take your football and walk off the playing field, Militia, just because you don't like an opinion that I and millions of other Americans have.
- Jul 18, 2007 5:50 pm (#2840 of 2984)
Southern Bronco - Jul 18, 2007 10:31 am (#2837 of 2838)
We may have a herd of beast DE
And Josh, if it is a money/mouth thing, then how does that compare with my examples?
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Two different points of logic SB. Yours are applicable for what you are trying to illustrate. I just sort of feel that when i hear kids younger than I talk about how great the war is going - but don't want to enlist because they will "die", a bunch of pansies.
Look i don't hate the military. I don't like how the military (like any other gov't emp) is used as a pawn in teh gov'ts business. But i get angry when other people dictate the lives of others for just their tunneled reality.
- Jul 18, 2007 5:53 pm (#2841 of 2984)
bronco militia - Jul 18, 2007 10:33 am (#2838 of 2840)
Oh i know i wouldn't be able to do military life. Maybe not nec. the job - but the environ would drive me nuts.
well, according to Les, you're a chicken hawk
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Eh possibly. I'm not a big fan of war though.
- Jul 18, 2007 5:55 pm (#2842 of 2984)
Eh possibly. I'm not a big fan of war though.
oh yeah, I forgot. You like war if join the military...or maybe it's only this war...
hhhhhhmmmmmm...but there's a republican in office, so war is bad this time
- Jul 18, 2007 5:57 pm (#2843 of 2984)
Eh possibly. I'm not a big fan of war though.
Boy I am! I LOVE war!
- Jul 18, 2007 6:00 pm (#2844 of 2984)
I didn't particularly care for the Clinton admin going into Kosovo either, and the more I learn about the blatant lies and propaganda that was fed to the American public in late 1990 to cause us to rally around #41's Gulf War intervention - the more repulsed I am of my own stupidity back then.
The US should've gone in super strong in Afghanistan and cleaned up the entire infestation and stayed the hell out of Iraq. Hell, we may have even captured Osama, and perhaps the entire war would've lasted only a year or two.
But then again, this Iraq war has never been about anything except the opportunity to fleece American taxpayers and stoke the military industrial complex.
- Jul 18, 2007 6:02 pm (#2845 of 2984)
bronco militia - Jul 18, 2007 10:55 am (#2842 of 2843)
Eh possibly. I'm not a big fan of war though.
oh yeah, I forgot. You like war if join the military...or maybe it's only this war...
hhhhhhmmmmmm...but there's a republican in office, so war is bad this time
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Nah - has nothing to do with parisanship for me. I'm not saying no war is "just" etc - i just find it futile. Lots of people die, lots of money spent, and more often than not - more a waste than needed.
- Jul 18, 2007 6:03 pm (#2846 of 2984)
But then again, this Iraq war has never been about anything except the opportunity to fleece American taxpayers and stoke the military industrial complex.
That and to revoke the US Constitution and make Bushitler emperor for life.
- Jul 18, 2007 6:04 pm (#2847 of 2984)
Les,
I disagree. I think this war is a war for resources. One problem though - To support a war like WWII - you need to have alot of manufactering jobs in the US doing lots of things for goods. We don't have that infras. anymore.
But i will say, i don't think there was a choice for president since carter.
- Jul 18, 2007 6:25 pm (#2848 of 2984)
It's helped that the war has effectively shut off 25% of the oil which the rest of the world was buying from Hussein (now they're buying it from the countries we are buying it from, so that drives up the price we all pay for energy) and who's profited? Big Oil, baby. And yep, this war is all about who is going to control Iraq's reserves for the next 30-50 yrs, til the spigot is dry.
But it's also made for some damned fine war profiteering and given our military industrial complex a big ole shot in their arms, too.
Southern Bronco Bronco - Jul 18, 2007 6:41 pm (#2849 of 2984)
Please cite your source that Iraq accounted for 25% of the world's oil.
- Jul 18, 2007 6:42 pm (#2850 of 2984)
Don't take your football and walk off the playing field, Militia, just because you don't like an opinion that I and millions of other Americans have.
the problem les, is that regardless of your political affiliation, I don't make a judgement on ones character based on whether you served or didn't serve in the US military.
you're either a piece of shit or not
like everywhere else, the military has both
- Jul 18, 2007 6:59 pm (#2851 of 2984)
Sweet! It could be my civic duty to smoke:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/proposed-tobacco-tax-hike-earmarked-kids/story.aspx?guid=%7BBDDED172-8963-4343-A422-EFEC4F34D72C%7D
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- More than 3 million uninsured low-income American children could gain access to health coverage if lawmakers enact a proposed tobacco-tax increase that is being considered by a Senate committee Tuesday.
Eye Patch
- Jul 18, 2007 7:34 pm (#2852 of 2984)
Les... just for the record are you a democrat?
- Jul 18, 2007 7:48 pm (#2853 of 2984)
Umm, Militia, I never said anything about whether the military has pieces of shit in it. I called the Young Republicans out for being pieces of shit, as did the guy who videotaped them originally.
One of the qualifications for being a piece of shit, in this particular instance was their collective stance on hawking/cheerleading for the war in Iraq - and then their feckless responses when asked if any of them planned to enlist and help support the war effort - in that way...then listening to them describe why they either couldn't or how they claimed to be doing in other non-violent ways.
One of Cheney's qualifications for being a POS are his past multiple deferments and excuses to avoid the Vietnam draft. As well as 95% of the 'top level' decision makers and warmongers in Bush's administration.
Whatever it is that is irking you, I have no idea. I'm rather amused that you're not irked by the obvious. I think sometimes you misunderstand, severely - the crux of the matter which I attempt to point out and make fun of. I'm not slandering the US military, I'm slandering those who never enlisted or dodged the draft when it was in effect - and yet are amongst the most vocal cheerleaders for going to war and sustaining it. To me, that is fucking horseshit.
I didn't join the military when I was younger. There weren't any wars going on nor did it appear that there might be in the near future. But that thought was in the back of my mind. Vietnam had ended a few years earlier. I didn't register for the draft (which didn't exist then) because I was patriotic, I did it because the law said I had to. I seem to remember something about there being a penalty for not doing so. As I grew older, of course there were small conflicts and then when I was 30, the first Gulf War began. At 30, I felt I was a bit long in the tooth to be running around in the desert. I ain't got the best vision in the world so I would've most likely served in some support capacity anyway. Desk jockey, intelligence or I dunno, but I wasn't gonna be operating 2 to 25 million dollar pieces of equipment.
As I look back now, if I had enlisted, I probably have received a pretty damned good level of training as well as ongoing education in what eventually became my chosen career field. I've worked with many sharp men and women in the data-communications industry who got their training and such, while in the Air Force, Navy and Marines. As far as I know, they're not shackled with a hefty amount of student loan debt either. But they invested 6 to 20 years of their lives going that route and I chose not too. A few saw activity in Grenada, Panama and Desert Storm. And I think, for the most part, they dug the hell out of their service time served. Power to 'em.
They weren't being chewed up (figuratively and literally) in this recent meat grinder in Iraq.
Key difference between myself who didn't enlist and they who don't plan to enlist: I'm not a cheerleader for sending our troops to a fucked up war, and I haven't been a believer in this Iraq incursion from day one.
Afghanistan and perhaps Pakistan are the only two countries which our military should have been in. And that's only provided if what we've had shoveled down our throats about 9/11 - is true.
- Jul 18, 2007 7:53 pm (#2854 of 2984)
les, again...I don't care if you hate the idea of the military or love it...IMO, it doesn't reveal you or anyone else's character
I called the Young Republicans out for being pieces of shit, as did the guy who videotaped them originally.
lets get to the botton of what you're really after...
so..did they ask any Democrats?
- Jul 18, 2007 7:56 pm (#2855 of 2984)
Patch, just for the record, in '80 I voted for Reagan, much to the distress of my family. I was almost disowned for the following two years. Course I was doing other shit back then which contributed to that stressful feeling. In '84 I did not vote, as I wasn't pleased with the Reagan revolution and Mondale was a fucking moron. In '88, I did vote for Bush, as I originally wanted him to be the candidate in '80, and Dukakis was a fucking moron. In '92 and '96 I voted for Clinton and in '98 or thereabouts, I was abysmally disappointed when it was proved that Clinton did have sex with THAT woman. In 2000 I voted for Gore, as I originally wanted him to earn the nod in '92. In 2004 I voted for Kerry/Edwards mostly because of my utter distaste and contempt for the current ass clowns in charge.
When I lived in Kansas I've voted for Dole for Senator, as well as Democrats for Governor and Senator. In Missouri, I've voted (sadly now, in hindsight) for Bond for Senator, and yeah, even Ashcroft in the 80's.
So, by voting for both Democrats and Republicans, what am I to you, Patch?
- Jul 18, 2007 7:58 pm (#2856 of 2984)
So, by voting for both Democrats and Republicans, what am I to you, Patch?
To me, you're a psycho horny bastard, but I don't know if that's an official political party yet.
- Jul 18, 2007 8:04 pm (#2857 of 2984)
Yanno Militia, that was one of the questions/comments posed in the comments section under that dude's blogsite @ Huffpost.
Now, go ambush some Democrats, let's see what they have to say!
Problem is, I doubt that you could find a convention of Young College Democrats at this time, who are warmongering and cheerleading for this war to continue. You might be able to. I kind of doubt it, though. Just like you probably won't find many Libertarians or Green Party who are standing on the sideline, wrapped in the American Flag and shooting off their mouths in support of Bush/Cheney's position.
I was adamantly opposed to US intervention in Kosovo & Bosnia/Hergozovina. Even more so now, after I've read up the last three years and learned what the hell was really occurring there for almost that entire decade. And if you don't know what I'm talking about 'there' I'll gladly provide you all the URL's you could look at for the next four months.
- Jul 18, 2007 8:06 pm (#2858 of 2984)
Ponch, 75% of the people in this country are psycho horny bastards and bitches to you, so I'm in fairly good company.
Eye Patch
- Jul 18, 2007 8:14 pm (#2859 of 2984)
So, by voting for both Democrats and Republicans, what am I to you, Patch?
well considering all you do is paint and slam elephants with a bias brush... you figure it out. Anyone that thinks one party is far superior and more honest than the other is a fool…and so far you playing the part.
If you slammed both parties equally than one would actually read your tripe and give it serious consideration... but after a while it's all the same bullshit.
When you consider a democratic congressman was found stealing money in New Orleans I consider that a far more serious crime than sex... which is always a personal matter. aka Clinton. Show me the post where you pounded this congressman.
but hey don't stop playing your hypocrisy just because you voted for republicans in the 80's.
Eye Patch
- Jul 18, 2007 8:17 pm (#2860 of 2984)
75% of the people in this country are psycho horny bastards and bitches to you
yeah... but most don't brag about it on an internet board knowing nobody can prove you are telling the truth...and the way you paint things I doubt even your right hand would engage you.... opppssss I mean your left hand.
kcnative2 - Jul 18, 2007 8:20 pm (#2861 of 2984)
LesMorpions - Jul 18, 2007 11:00 am (#2844 of 2860)
I didn't particularly care for the Clinton admin going into Kosovo
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LesMorpions - Jul 18, 2007 1:04 pm (#2857 of 2859)
I was adamantly opposed to US intervention in Kosovo & Bosnia/Hergozovina.
- Jul 18, 2007 9:02 pm (#2862 of 2984)
Kerry/Edwards mostly because of my utter distaste and contempt for the current ass clowns in charge.
Why is that?
It just amazes me that people HATE a man for doing exactly what they and the Pelosi's of the world publicly demanded his father do previously.
Talk about hypocrisy.
- Jul 18, 2007 9:11 pm (#2863 of 2984)
In 1998, Nancy Pelosi stated Saddam Hussein "has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology" in her support of the military air strike President Clinton carried out then "to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors."
According to her and her ilk. It's okay for a democrate to go after Saddam but not okay for a Republican years after in a massive case of Monday morning quarterbacking.
Eye Patch
- Jul 18, 2007 9:16 pm (#2864 of 2984)
In truth, the Iraq war was authorized by 296 House members and 77 senators. Among other things, that bipartisan supermajority:
Declared that members of al Qaeda were known to be in Iraq;
Asserted that “Iraq’s ongoing support for international terrorist groups, combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions, make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;”
Explained that the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 “expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;” and
Noted that Congress had already authorized the President “to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolution 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677.”
In other words, this is not “the president’s war.” It is America’s war. Those who call it anything else reveal much about themselves. Members of Congress have every right—some would say even a duty—to oppose the war and to change their minds. But they must not be allowed to change the historical record, to wash their hands of any responsibility, to “revise and extend” their own votes and actions.
- Jul 18, 2007 9:18 pm (#2865 of 2984)
Gee, I am surrounded by literalist, bible thumpers today. Oh, what's different from any other day over the last ten years. You want those links, Native? Not that you'd actually read 'em.
Patch, I could care less about the fcktard in Louisiana who froze his bribery booty. He'll get properly booted from office next election and I would hope he sees some prison time as well. Will THAT deter other fcksticks from pulling the same shit. Maybe...maybe not.
Elephants been in charge the last 6 years and their behavior has been on abundant display. I could care less if Mark Foley or Cunningham or the Florida guy who begged to suck a cop's cock in trade for dead president serve time in the slammer. I simply see hypocrisy and make a point to mention it.
After all, back when I was voting for Clinton (twice)...I got to listen to all of the shit (on this board) and elsewhere...what a piece of shit he was for all his personal troubles. Hey, we're going to investigate Whitewater, but after six years we'll shift to blowjobs and lying to try to protect his sham of a marriage.
$50 million to waste time and money on Clinton's sex life...
$25 million to investigate the last shuttle crisis...
$10 million to investigate 9/11. And that was a grudging ten million.
I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton next year either. I oppose much of what she claims to support, as her past record doesn't jive with what she's saying the last few months. Likewise, I ain't falling for Obama's schtick or Romney's crap and McCain just spent the last 8 months screwing himself.
What's your position on anything, Patch? You haven't actually stated anything concrete since right before Oakland got gangraped by Tampa Bay all those years ago.
- Jul 18, 2007 9:18 pm (#2866 of 2984)
Rack'em.
- Jul 18, 2007 9:19 pm (#2867 of 2984)
I'd still like to kick W in the nads for his refusal to do anything about illegal immigration.
- Jul 18, 2007 9:23 pm (#2868 of 2984)
I'm sure Mcain feels the same way.....and these two dumbasses are from border states
- Jul 18, 2007 9:29 pm (#2869 of 2984)
July 18, 2007 12:00am
ONLY one week after Live Earth, Al Gore's green credentials slipped while hosting his daughter's wedding in Beverly Hills.
Gore and his guests at the weekend ceremony dined on Chilean sea bass - arguably one of the world's most threatened fish species.
Also known as Patagonian toothfish, the species is under pressure from illegal, unregulated and unreported fishing activities in the Southern Ocean, jeopardising the sustainability of remaining stocks.
The species is currently managed by the Commission for the Conservation of Antarctic Living Marine Resources, the body which introduced a catch and trade documentation scheme as an attempt to tackle illegal poaching of this species
- Jul 18, 2007 9:30 pm (#2870 of 2984)
ha ha
Southern Bronco Bronco - Jul 18, 2007 9:32 pm (#2871 of 2984)
Mmmm, Patagonian toothfish.
- Jul 18, 2007 9:34 pm (#2872 of 2984)
FTR. I don't think it's really an endangered species and you can get it legally. I just thought it was amusing since it involved "Mr. Green".
- Jul 18, 2007 9:53 pm (#2873 of 2984)
Ponch, 75% of the people in this country are psycho horny bastards and bitches to you, so I'm in fairly good company.
Lester, you pull this broad brush crap out your ass on a regular basis about what I think.
But don't let that stop you from running off at the mouth.
Eye Patch
- Jul 18, 2007 10:12 pm (#2874 of 2984)
What's your position on anything, Patch? You haven't actually stated anything concrete since right before Oakland got gangraped by Tampa Bay all those years ago.
I have stated my position not more than a couple of weeks ago. I guess you mised it... but it's not suprising you hear and believe what you want to believe.
Your poistion is very simple republicans bad democrats good. Okay we got it... do you have anything more to add to the conversation or is this just more b.s to enforce your own bias. It really doesn't take much skill to cut and paste from bias web sites and call it your own thought.
and if you want to prove me wrong...show me where you slam a democrat...
Eye Patch
- Jul 18, 2007 10:23 pm (#2875 of 2984)
I'd still like to kick W in the nads for his refusal to do anything about illegal immigration.
and that's why his numbers are so low... and I'm one of them.
Only when America is attacked, and it will be from some rag head coming through the Mexican border, will they finally do something about it... but it will too late…. and if that is the case then I will call for an impeachment of bush because as the chief executor his primary job is to enforce the laws, including the immigration laws, and protect the citizens of the United States... he will have failed on both accounts and in my opinion that is impeachable.
- Jul 18, 2007 10:25 pm (#2876 of 2984)
It's not 1999 anymore Patch. The Clinton's aren't in charge. They were your easiest target.
You want me to shit all over Edwards for his $400 haircut, or the guy who's name I can't remember in Louisiana for stuffing his freezer full of cash?
How about Mel Reynolds the child molester in Illinois from what...'94...'96? When did that occur?
Hey, maybe I can bring up what a POS Ted Kennedy is for Chappaquidick? Would that give you a woody?
Simple fact of the matter is, more Republicans have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar, the last 7 yrs than have Democrats.
Fucking deal with it. I can't turn back the clock anymore than you can.
And your point is? I suck democrat cock and you suck republican cock? Nice try.
How about...Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. Have been for a long time. I just quit drinking the koolaid in 1999. But when your mouth is full of shit, as mine was during Bill's last two years in office, I couldn't say anything on his behalf. He pretty much got caught in his major lie. Of course he was hounded into it from Whitewater, 7 yrs earlier, and he didn't claim executive priveledge like the current fuckwads constantly do.
You ever have an epiphany or recognize one? Or an original thought of your own? I don't recall ever seeing it in typewritten form. I do recall you admitting you didn't have a fucking clue about 3 weeks ago. Right in the same paragraph where you accused me of not having one either.
I almost choked up in tears of that confession.
- Jul 18, 2007 10:27 pm (#2877 of 2984)
Only when America is attacked, and it will be from some rag head coming through the Mexican border, will they finally do something about it... but it will too late…. and if that is the case then I will call for an impeachment of bush because as the chief executor his primary job is to enforce the laws, including the immigration laws, and protect the citizens of the United States... he will have failed on both accounts and opinion that is impeachable.
well speak of the devil.....
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/fbi-iraqis-bein.html
- Jul 18, 2007 10:28 pm (#2878 of 2984)
The FBI is investigating an alleged human smuggling operation based in Chaparral, N.M., that agents say is bringing "Iraqis and other Middle Eastern" individuals across the Rio Grande from Mexico.
Eye Patch
- Jul 18, 2007 10:33 pm (#2879 of 2984)
How about...Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin
I said that today and more than once a couple of weeks ago... funny how you hear only what you want to here.
Proving you have many issues.... self thought is one of them.
I do recall you admitting you didn't have a fucking clue about 3 weeks ago
that was in regards to how to win the war in Iraqi.... so far I'm not the only one who doesn't have a clue.... yet you have one and it's something you read about from one of your web sites. What was it... oh yeah let them kill each other off and then slide right back in and clean up the mess...
Gee you're so brilliant.
You should at least had the courage to admit you don't have a fucking clue about this or anything else for that matter.
but it's fun watching you make a fool of yourself.
- Jul 18, 2007 10:42 pm (#2880 of 2984)
Likewise, dude. You were a better SuperBowl prognosticator than you have been anything else.
- Jul 18, 2007 10:57 pm (#2881 of 2984)
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/a-schnook-is-no.html
Never trusted this guy either.
Or Bob Graham from Florida. He knew something in 2003 about the 9/11 investigation, but never spilled the beans.
NYFD knows all about Guliani, as do most of us with brains and a sense of the last 6 yrs (helps to have internet access).
How do we fix a major fuckup, Patch? I'm all ears. I haven't got the best plan, or any plan, but I'm not being paid to think of one, either.
Does anyone here...have a clue?
Let alone you?
- Jul 19, 2007 4:36 am (#2882 of 2984)
You know i've run into some conspiracy sites that stated it was hushed up bit there was an iraqi involvement with mcveigh.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-1678779-details/Iraqis+linked+to+Oklahoma+atrocity+/article.do;jsessionid=2QCmFH1RL4rhtkxVzTMKG5NlJ9LjtPqcqwxVG6N1xf5Qxd0hdN4f
Iraqis linked to Oklahoma atrocity
By James Langton in New York, for the Evening Standard 21.10.02
Instead, there are serious concerns that a group of Arab men with links to Iraqi intelligence, Palestinian extremists and possibly al Qaeda, used McVeigh and Nichols as front men to blow up the Alfred P Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
- Jul 19, 2007 8:54 pm (#2883 of 2984)
As if this is suprising...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070719/cia-leak-lawsuit/
Fuck you America, you got what you voted for.
- Jul 19, 2007 9:11 pm (#2884 of 2984)
Good. That was a dumb lawsuit in the first place.
- Jul 19, 2007 9:37 pm (#2885 of 2984)
This guy is the master at saying nothing worth understanding, over the last 40 yrs. Unfortunately, Dumbya is a close 9th behind him, right behind Ken Lay and Abramhoff. Patch is about 5th, grudgingly.
"There is no evidence that, whether we have a good day in a particular community or region in Iraq, that we have either the political reconciliation process within the country working or any diplomatic process that's got a chance to help with the neighbors," the former Democratic president said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070719/pl_nm/iraq_usa_clinton_dc_1
Eye Patch
- Jul 19, 2007 10:03 pm (#2886 of 2984)
Patch is about 5th
Well considering all the tripe you post all day from your cut and paste world with nary an original thought on your own... if I'm fith you must be NUMBER ONE.
congratualtions sport.
Eye Patch
- Jul 19, 2007 10:12 pm (#2887 of 2984)
From the same pit bull antics of Jame Carville... Ann Coulter. Especially for Les.
The "Bumper Sticker" That Blows Up
By Ann Coulter
For six years, the Bush administration has kept America safe from another terrorist attack, allowing the Democrats to claim that the war on terrorism is a fraud, a "bumper sticker," a sneaky ploy by a power-mad president to create an apocryphal enemy so he could spy on innocent librarians in Wisconsin. And that's the view of the moderate Democrats. The rest of them think Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks.
But now with the U.S. government – as well as the British and German governments – warning of major terrorist attacks this summer, the Treason Lobby is facing the possibility that the "bumper sticker" could blow up in their faces.
The Democrats' entire national security calculus is based on the premise that "we have no important enemies," as stated by former Sen. Mike Gravel. He's one of the Democratic presidential candidates who doesn't know he's supposed to lie when speaking to the American people.
Ironically, the Democrats' ability to sneer at President Bush hinges on Bush's successful prosecution of the war on terrorism, despite the Democrats. It's going to be harder to persuade Americans that the "war on terrorism" is George Bush's imaginary enemy – the Reichstag fire, to quote our first openly Muslim congressman, Keith Ellison – if there is another terrorist attack.
So naturally, they are blaming any future terrorist attacks on the war in Iraq.
The Democrats blame everything on Iraq, but their insane argument that we are merely annoying the enemy by fighting back has been neurotically repeated since the failed terrorist bombing in London a few weeks ago. The venue of the terrorists' latest attempt, a hot London nightclub, might even shake up the young progressive crowd. Apparently, their soirees are not off-limits, notwithstanding their dutiful anti-imperialism.
In anticipation of their surrender strategy becoming substantially less popular in the wake of another terrorist attack, the Democrats are all claiming that the threat of terrorism was nonexistent – notwithstanding 9/11, the Cole bombing, the bombing of our embassies, the bombing of the World Trade Center, the Achille Lauro, etc. etc. – until George Bush invaded Iraq.
In the past week, B. Hussein Obama said the war in Iraq has made us more vulnerable to terrorist attacks. Americans are "more at risk," he said, "and less safe than we should have been at this point." We would be safer with "better polices" – such as, presumably, Bill Clinton's policy of pretending Islamic terrorists don't exist and leaving the problem for the next president.
Hillary Clinton said we need to start "reversing our priorities. Let's stop sending troops to Iraq and let's start insuring every single child." Yes, that should put a good healthy scare into the insurgents. "Run for your life, Ahmed! All American children are getting regular checkups!"
Sen. Chris Dodd miraculously straddled both arguments – that the threat of terrorism is a fraud and that the Iraq war had increased its danger. He said "al-Qaida is insurgent again" because we've "turned Iraq into an incubator" for jihadists. But simultaneously with warning of a terrorist attack, Dodd also said he was "more skeptical than I'd like to be" of the Bush administration's warning of a terrorist attack. Damn that Bush! He's inflamed an imaginary enemy!
As with the Democrats' claim that the greatest military in the world is "losing" a war with camel-riding nomads, the claim that the war in Iraq is what created our terrorist problem – a terrorist problem that began about 30 years ago – has entered the media and is now stated as fact by the entire Treason Lobby.
CNN correspondent Suzanne Malveaux matter-of-factly reported this week: "President Bush says the central front in the war on terror is Iraq. But when the U.S. first invaded the country almost five years ago, al-Qaida had very little presence. But the intelligence report says that has changed. Al-Qaida not only has become a dangerous threat, the intelligence community expects the terrorist group will use its contacts and capabilities there to mount an attack on U.S. soil."
Say, wasn't the attack of 9/11 an "attack on U.S. soil"? How could that have happened since we hadn't invaded Iraq yet? What a weird aberration. How about the attacks on our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania? How about the 1993 World Trade Center bombing? The taking of our embassy in Tehran?
Another CNN correspondent, Ed Henry, followed up Malveaux's report with the somber news that "the president was warned before the war in Iraq that if you go in and invade Iraq, you're going to give al-Qaida more opportunities to expand its influence."
Similarly, Hitler and Goebbels never had much to say about the United States – not, that is, until we started fighting them!
But as soon as we entered the war – taking the bait of Hitler's declaration of war against us, which Democrats are urging us to avoid falling for in the case of al-Qaida – Hitler began portraying FDR as a pawn of the Jews. Soon posters started appearing in Germany showing the United States as a country run by Jews and Negroes. Fake dollar bills with the Star of David were air-dropped over Paris.
According to the Democrats' logic, FDR's policies made the United States less safe. Had Germany attacked us at Pearl Harbor? No. Was Hitler able to use America entering the war as a recruiting tool? Yes. Fighting the enemy always seems to make them mad. It's as plain as the nose on your face.
Democrats think they have concocted a brilliant argument by saying that jihadists have been able to recruit based on the war in Iraq. Yes, I assume so. Everything the United States has done since 9/11 has galvanized the evil people of the world to fight the U.S. In World War II, some Frenchmen joined the Waffen SS, too. And the good people of the world have been galvanized to fight on the side of the U.S. The question is: Which side are the Democrats on?
- Jul 19, 2007 10:46 pm (#2888 of 2984)
I'm guessing you've always been a Republican, Patch...and only recently came off your koolaid.
It's hard to quit isn't it?
Eye Patch
- Jul 19, 2007 10:56 pm (#2889 of 2984)
Hate to break to you les but that bias article was strictly for your sake.... not mine.
enjoy...
- Jul 19, 2007 11:02 pm (#2890 of 2984)
I enjoyed that biased article. And it's good to see that you've woken up.
Now, point your pent up anger towards the targets, where it will do you and the rest of us, the most good.
Eye Patch
- Jul 19, 2007 11:08 pm (#2891 of 2984)
I enjoyed that biased article
are the articles you post bias?
And it's good to see that you've woken up.
woken up to what?
Now, point your pent up anger towards the targets
why should I be angry... the only angry person I know on this board considering all of the bias and angry posts you spew daily.... must be you. It is really quite evident.
- Jul 19, 2007 11:21 pm (#2892 of 2984)
Good grief man, learn some spelling. I hate to sound like a Post Nazi, but you constantly butcher this language, which I am pretty sure you want other people to learn, first and foremost.
The articles I post are, biased. Definitely, but for the last 7 yrs, how can they be anything but?
In the late 90's I pretty much didn't say shit, Clinton had embarrassed me - for voting for him in '96. So, rather than arguing with you and the rest of you cretins, I took a pass.
I laid off the koolaid for good in 2002. Since 2001, all you right wing fuckers have been trying to yell the rest of us down. And you succeeded, for the most part. Until it became more than evident that you were fucking more wrong than wrong could get; like in the last 3 years.
2004 was a watershed year. We (the United States) were supposed to have won in Iraq and have our troops home by now. Update...
Not gonna happen in your or my lifetime.
Why am I angry? My anger is towards Americans who still drink the koolaid and mix it with their other favorite beverage, Patch...then ya'll get on the internet and want to argue with other people about which 'side or bias' they represent.
Here's a hint. The Democrats and the Republicans have been fucking you and me in our asses for the last 30 yrs, and they don't care whether I shave my ass or you don't shave yours.
Halliburton and KBR are growing fat on you and me and all people in-between.
Eye Patch
- Jul 19, 2007 11:46 pm (#2893 of 2984)
learn some spelling.
I didn't at the time.. but I did a spell check on the post... and the only word it had a hit on... was your word woken… which I used right back at ya.
Is your word spell checker different than mine?… or are you really not that bright?
Here's a hint. The Democrats and the Republicans have been fucking you and me in our asses for the last 30 yrs, and they don't care whether I shave my ass or you don't shave yours.
I've been saying that for years... welcome aboard.
- Jul 20, 2007 12:08 am (#2894 of 2984)
I am really not that bright.
But I did spend the night in a Best Western, once. In of all places, Oakland.
Good thing I had my Camaro pocketknife, too.
Eye Patch
- Jul 20, 2007 12:17 am (#2895 of 2984)
Good thing I had my Camaro pocketknife, too
In Oakland!!!! trust me.. it wouldn't do you any good.
- Jul 20, 2007 12:21 am (#2896 of 2984)
I wasn't sporting any Chiefs gear and my vehicle was a 1998 Geo. I wasn't in danger of carjacking nor did I look at anyone directly in their face.
Who wants to mess with some dude driving a Geo? I might've had $15 in my wallet and a company credit card.
- Jul 20, 2007 3:27 am (#2897 of 2984)
I think we need to get the fuck out of there. Fuck'em, time for them to stand on their own. That said, I have been hoping I would be wrong. I have been hoping for a good outcome there. I want to see our boys come home safe and healthy. You can think something is a mistake and a poor decision and yet hope you are proven wrong.
I think that's the position of most of the so-called "cut and runners". I know that is and has been my position.
- Jul 20, 2007 12:34 pm (#2898 of 2984)
Drudge headline: "Bill Clinton criticizes Bush on Iraq: 'There is no military victory here'... "
Of course, that depends on what the meaning of "is" is, doesn't it, Bill?
- Jul 20, 2007 12:41 pm (#2899 of 2984)
"Is," "is." "is" — the idiocy of the word haunts me. If it were abolished, human thought might begin to make sense. I don't know what anything "is"; I only know how it seems to me at this moment. - R.A.W
- Jul 20, 2007 1:11 pm (#2900 of 2984)
chomp
rascal
- Jul 20, 2007 4:53 pm (#2901 of 2984)
WWIII will begin shortly.
Bush is have his colon checked out and Cheney will be taking over temporarily.
The end is near.
- Jul 20, 2007 5:36 pm (#2902 of 2984)
You think so rascal? You think it's coming?
Or is it a self fulfilling destiny?
- Jul 20, 2007 5:40 pm (#2903 of 2984)
Bush should talk with Baja about that procedure.
- Jul 20, 2007 5:41 pm (#2904 of 2984)
I think Mike vick might soon know that procedure as well.
Dick & Bush running the show? someone's getting f'd.....
- Jul 20, 2007 5:47 pm (#2905 of 2984)
I hope they find his head...
- Jul 20, 2007 5:55 pm (#2906 of 2984)
lol
- Jul 20, 2007 6:07 pm (#2907 of 2984)
That's probably going to show up as the major blockage.
- Jul 20, 2007 9:38 pm (#2908 of 2984)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4odmtUBtfeU
Mission Accomplished
- Jul 21, 2007 10:05 pm (#2909 of 2984)
Interesting commentary within this huge .pdf report, created by The Rand Corporation for the benefit of the Pentagon and White House.
How to change American perceptions of the war in Iraq, by enlisting marketing techniques gleaned from Madison Avenue. Our leaders wish to repackage this mess and resell it to the American Public, like McDonald's retailored their image or like Coca~Cola did before them. Nice.
I haven't read the entire $400,000, 211 page report (just more of our tax money down the drain), but here are some pages which jumped out at me.
Random passages of interest include those found on pages 28, 44, 51, 57, 72, 91, 107, 117, 141, 156, 167...
We're gonna start getting bullshit fed to us in an even more elaborately designed way, so it tastes more like Ovaltine, instead of barnyard refuse.
Heh, and we heard that this White House was going to put a stop to Rumsfeld's campaign of disninformation, a few years ago.
Shit...these fucks just keep the lies coming.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2007/RAND_MG607.pdf
- Jul 22, 2007 4:35 am (#2910 of 2984)
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Delphi_Change_Agents.htm
Are You Being Delphied?
The Rand Corporation in the early 1960s developed the Delphi technique for the purpose of maneuvering segments of the public into accepting predetermined government policies. In the 1970s and '80s, it was ideally used to convince land owners of the merits of accepting joining and general plan maps. Now it is being employed to persuade the public to accept outcome-based education and the licensing of all employees, via endorsements in the Certificate of Initial Mastery (CIM) and Certificate of Advanced Mastery (CAM) programs, a.k.a. school-to-work.
The goal of the Delphi technique is to lead a targeted group of people to a predetermined outcome, while giving the illusion of taking public input and under the pretext of being accountable to the public. For the Delphi to work, it is critical that the targeted group be kept away from knowledgeable people who could lead them away from the Delphier's predetermined outcome.
- Jul 22, 2007 4:37 am (#2911 of 2984)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6359
The Militarization and Annexation of North America
The Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) unmasked
- Jul 22, 2007 4:37 am (#2912 of 2984)
http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,22093795-31037,00.html
THE French and English branches of the fabled Rothschild banking family announced their unification overnight, ending a separation that dates from the 19th century.
- Jul 22, 2007 3:34 pm (#2913 of 2984)
Tentacles reaching inside multiple administrations - How Enron conducted lobbying business: From the Houston Chronicle's Enron investigations.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/enron/1248718.html
- Jul 23, 2007 2:21 pm (#2914 of 2984)
http://www.disinfo.com/site/displayarticle20014.html
...Terrorism will never destroy America. It will come from within. From fear-addicts who have raped the U.S. so much that they should be drawn up on charges of treason. The cowards who want a nanny state to coddle them, hug them, and ultimately contain them in a little crib with bars and monitors and cameras...
Sooner or later (as all great civilizations through time have dealt with) America will be attacked by terrorists again. There are too many people out there hopelessly addicted to extremism, to acting as pawns in a game of supernatural Risk, to blind fanaticism for it not to happen.
But that won't destroy America.
In history, there have been the Hyksos, the Hittites, the Visigoths, the Huns, the Golden Horde, the Crusaders, and countless other unnamed peoples who have arrived with sword and torch to bring devastation to society. Today they use bombs and AK-47s. And in the future, even if education raises up humanity from the gutters of ignorance there will still be those of the fanatic pathology. It is likely there will always be barbarians.
But that won't destroy America either.
You will.
I'm referring to the screeching fear-addicts who have raped the United States so thoroughly that they should be drawn up on charges of treason. The cowards who, unlike their grandfathers and earlier ancestors, want a nanny state to coddle them, hug them, and ultimately contain them in a little crib with bars and monitors and cameras.
These are the whining tantrum-throwers who live in such a fear-choked world that they will trade in America's Constitution and Bill of Rights for far less than thirty pieces of silver.
They want the President to have the power to arrest Americans without review or charges. To have the power to imprison them indefinitely. To be able to strip away a citizen's status with the magic words "enemy combatant" and cart them off to secret military trials per the PATRIOT ACT's overbroad definitions.
These are the traitorous weasels who think that standing up for America's rights is an act of weakness! The fools who have forgotten that every President swears an oath to "protect, defend, and preserve the Constitution of the United States." At the end of the day, it is the Constitution which must survive us and continue as the guiding principle for America's future as it has been for our past.
These are the cultists who have surrendered their most precious ability - freethinking - to be told by pundits what to echo and chant with brainless repetition.
I am not afraid of terrorists.
My country defeated the British Empire when we were but scattered colonies in the wilderness.
We defeated Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.
We can defeat today's Visigoths without devolving into a police state, without becoming the very antithesis to freedom and civil liberty that we were founded upon. For it is these notions that form the spine of our founding document - the Constitution.
And while we're at it:
You spineless people who endorse the government listening to your phone calls, invading your homes, monitoring you beneath banners of "Freedom is Slavery" and ever-watchful eyes.
You people who are so terrified of open and honest debate that you simply parrot your equally cowardly pundit priests. You who refuse to hold the government accountable, refuse to remind them that they work for us, that we have the power in this nation, that the principles of liberty you mouth are things which must be fought for on domestic soil.
You who allows George W. Bush's illegal wire-tapping and surveillance and propaganda machines to operate unfettered, without realizing that someday a Hillary or PETA or Moore will have access to the same system put in place today. Didn't think of that, did you?
America can only be destroyed from within, not without. It isn't gay marriage or pluralism that destroys us. It is the fear-addicts who are also astounding hypocrites: who support the right to bear arms despite 11,000 deaths a year (and for the record, I also support the Second Amendment wholeheartedly) but freak out when confronted with the proportion of deaths-from-terrorism over the last several years and will fork over their souls to a nanny-state self-perpetuating White House regime without hesitation.
Hypocrites. Cowards. Traitors.
Make no mistake that those in power are keenly aware of how easy you are to manipulate. They flash the lightning and you cower. They feed you a steady diet of feel-good platitudes because they know the real meal - reading the Constitution - is something you won't bother to stomach.
Shame.
When we're attacked again, we need to stand strong and firm and fight, against those barbarians who hurt us and against those opportunistic politicians who will try to exploit the tragedy.
Don't let others tell you what the Founding Fathers wrote. Read it for yourself, brush up on your history, and rediscover the bravery of your progenitors.
Before it's too late, and the "land of the free/home of the brave" becomes a footnote filed under irony.
by Brian Trent [click here for more articles], who is a professional essayist, screenwriter, and novelist; he is the author of "Remembering Hypatia" and the just-released "Never Grow Old: the Novel of Gilgamesh." Brian is a contributor to the Populist Party, American Chronicle and The Humanist Magazine.
Formerly Cal
- Jul 23, 2007 2:29 pm (#2915 of 2984)
Ahhh, the ever popular, you're an idiot if you disagree with me, ranting.
Ironic that a vast right wing conspiracy believer would refer to fear mongering.
- Jul 23, 2007 2:38 pm (#2916 of 2984)
Sorry most of it's true. I don't like his writing - but there are many identifable truths in there.
Formerly Cal
- Jul 23, 2007 2:43 pm (#2917 of 2984)
"Sorry most of it's true."
Perhaps the historical facts, not the opinion.
His opinion is similar to the scare tactics he is bashing, just the opposite end.
That's the problem, there is no middle ground anymore.
- Jul 23, 2007 2:59 pm (#2918 of 2984)
Perhaps the historical facts, not the opinion.
No doubt. I don't know anyone that is actually endorsing "the government listening to your phone calls, invading your homes, monitoring you beneath banners of "Freedom is Slavery" and ever-watchful eyes."
The writer of that article is a angry fool.
- Jul 23, 2007 3:07 pm (#2919 of 2984)
Actually there are alot of people that do endorse the erosion of civil liberties, and they do under a misunderstanding of supporting the "acting gov't" and not the principles the gov't was founded on.
Everytime someone endorses those acts, they kill liberty.
- Jul 23, 2007 4:05 pm (#2920 of 2984)
True Phone Call - A Customer
To Bank Of America
7-21-7
Bank: This is the Bank of America, can I help you?
Customer: Yes, I want to cancel my account. I don't want to do business with you any longer.
Bank: Why?
Customer: You're giving credit to illegal immigrants and I don't think it's right. I'm taking my business elsewhere.
Bank: Well, Mr. Customer, we don't want to see you do that, but we can't stop you. I'll help you close the account. What is your account number?
Customer: (gives account number)
Bank: For security purposes and for your protection,can you please give me the last four digits of your social security number?
Customer: No.
Bank: Mr. Customer, I need to verify your information, but in order to help you, I'll need verification of who you are.
Customer: Why should I give you my social security number? The reason I'm closing my account is that your bank is issuing credit cards to illegal immigrants who don't have social security numbers. You are targeting that audience and want their business. Let's say I'm an illegal immigrant and you've given me a credit card. I have a question about it and call for assistance. You wouldn't be asking me for a Social Security number, would you?
Bank: No sir, I wouldn't.
Customer: Why not?
Bank: Because you would have pressed '2' to speak in Spanish. We don't ask for that information when calling in on the Spanish line.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/bankofamerica.asp
- Jul 23, 2007 4:06 pm (#2921 of 2984)
wow
- Jul 23, 2007 4:25 pm (#2922 of 2984)
To be fair, they are giving "collateral" cards to illegals. Give them $500 cash and they give you a $500 "credit" limit. Not that I think it's a good idea for BoA from a public relations point of view. But like many "journalists" they think being a good American "citizen" is for suckers.
- Jul 24, 2007 1:34 am (#2923 of 2984)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/23/opinion/23mon4.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
(exerpts)...this too liberal for you, Patch?
The Constitution does make the president “commander in chief,” a title President Bush often invokes. But it does not have the sweeping meaning he suggests. The framers took it from the British military, which used it to denote the highest-ranking official in a theater of battle. Alexander Hamilton emphasized in Federalist No. 69 that the president would be “nothing more” than “first general and admiral,” responsible for “command and direction” of military forces.
The founders would have been astonished by President Bush’s assertion that Congress should simply write him blank checks for war. They gave Congress the power of the purse so it would have leverage to force the president to execute their laws properly. Madison described Congress’s control over spending as “the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.”
The framers expected Congress to keep the president on an especially short leash on military matters. The Constitution authorizes Congress to appropriate money for an army, but prohibits appropriations for longer than two years. Hamilton explained that the limitation prevented Congress from vesting “in the executive department permanent funds for the support of an army, if they were even incautious enough to be willing to repose in it so improper a confidence.”
As opinion turns more decisively against the war, the administration is becoming ever more dismissive of Congress’s role.
The founders were particularly wary of giving the president power over war. They were haunted by Europe’s history of conflicts started by self-aggrandizing kings.
- Jul 24, 2007 1:41 pm (#2924 of 2984)
The framers expected Congress to keep the president on an especially short leash on military matters. The Constitution authorizes Congress to appropriate money for an army, but prohibits appropriations for longer than two years.
Time Limit on Appropriations for the Army
<http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article01/41.html#1>
Prompted by the fear of standing armies to which Story alluded, the framers inserted the limitation that ''no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years.'' In 1904, the question arose whether this provision would be violated if the Government contracted to pay a royalty for use of a patent in constructing guns and other equipment where the payments are likely to continue for more than two years. Solicitor-General Hoyt ruled that such a contract would be lawful; that the appropriations limited by the Constitution ''are those only which are to raise and support armies in the strict sense of the word 'support,' and that the inhibition of that clause does not extend to appropriations for the various means which an army may use in military operations, or which are deemed necessary for the common defense. . . .''1437 Relying on this earlier opinion, Attorney General Clark ruled in 1948 that there was ''no legal objection to a request to the Congress to appropriate funds to the Air Force for the procurement of aircraft and aeronautical equipment to remain available until expended.''1438
The founders were particularly wary of giving the president power over war. They were haunted by Europe’s history of conflicts started by self-aggrandizing kings.
Which is why Congress passed the AUMF. This is not "Bush's War" no matter how many moonbats type the words. The NYT writer seems to think Bush is overstepping his constitutional boundaries, but provides no evidence whatsoever.
rascal
- Jul 24, 2007 4:25 pm (#2925 of 2984)
Bank of America can go to hell. That snoopes thing...wow.
- Jul 25, 2007 9:56 pm (#2926 of 2984)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvMWGNX7HlI
Already eating their own.
- Jul 26, 2007 1:12 pm (#2927 of 2984)
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Senator_shows_Cheney_granted_authority_to_0724.html
Senator stumps Gonzales over authority granted to Cheney to intervene in Justice probes
During Tuesday's Senate Judiciary Committee oversight hearing, a freshman Democratic Senator stumped Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on how Vice President Dick Cheney, his chief of staff, and counsel, had been granted authority parallel with the President on intervening in pending matters at the Justice Department.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) questioned the Attorney General about the independence of the Justice Department and communications with the White House on pending cases or investigations.
He then pointed to a May 4, 2006 memorandum signed by Gonzales which showed that the Office of the Vice President had been granted parallel privileges with the Executive Office of the President on communicating directly with the Justice Department's staff on criminal and civil matters.
"What - on earth - business does the Office of the Vice President have in the internal workings of the Department of Justice with respect to criminal investigations, civil investigations, and ongoing matters?" the Senator asked.
Gonzales was stumped, "As a general matter, I would say that's a good question."
Whitehouse then pointed out that in the same memo, the Chief of Staff and Counsel of the Vice President were also explicitly granted the same authority.
"On its face - I must say - sitting here, I'm troubled by this," Gonzales added.
A spokesperson for the Office of the Vice President told RAW STORY it was not possible to comment without first seeing a transcript of the proceedings.
Senator Whitehouse's office provided a copy of the Gonzales memo to RAW STORY.
- Jul 26, 2007 4:33 pm (#2928 of 2984)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56823
"The is a stunning assertion of executive power that creates a Sword of Damocles over anyone opposed to the war or otherwise who might come under the umbrage of the president," Fein told me.
- Jul 26, 2007 4:42 pm (#2929 of 2984)
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/butler-by_frazier.html
Smedley Butler was one of the most beloved military leaders in American history. Teddy Roosevelt called him, "The finest fighting man in America."
Butler was known as "the fighting Quaker." Butler was only one of four Americans ever awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor twice. He tried returning one of them because he did not feel it was earned, but was instead ordered to wear it.
Rank-and-file American soldiers loved him. Butler helped run the Marines for a generation, carried a pack and was in the trenches with his troops. Butler was known for his honesty and appreciation for the common man. In Butler's case, it was genuine.
Near the end of his career, he began questioning the issue of foreign wars. He began calling war a racket, and became adamant about the imperialist aspect of the U.S.' foreign interventions. He was not a pacifist, and came from a long line of republicans. When he had an opinion, however, he made it known. In 1935, after he retired, he published a slim book titled War is a Racket. Butler campaigned on that theme for the rest of his life.
Butler believed that all U.S. foreign interventions were self-serving acts, which lined the pockets of the rich at the expense of the nations it victimized, sending young boys to do the dirty work, wearing American uniforms. Butler's opinions did not come from reading radical literature, but from his experiences. The famous Butler quote, where he admitted to being an unwitting “gangster for Capitalism” is vintage Butler.
Although Butler ran for a Senate seat in Pennsylvania as a Republican, when he began his anti-imperialist campaign, he did not care to whom he spoke. He ended up speaking at Communist rallies and at other organizations, which would have given him problems if he had done it during the Joe McCarthy witch-hunt days. He did not care about ideology. He believed in telling the truth as he saw it. Whether his audience was made of communists, veterans groups or the U.S. Congress, his line was the same, with the honest, outspoken style that made him an American icon, and made him many powerful enemies.
In 1931, Butler talked informally after a speech, and discussed how European conquerors became drunk with power and became "mad dogs." He related an apparently true story told him by Cornelius Vanderbilt Jr. Vanderbilt spent time with Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, and they were driving in an armored car through the Italian countryside, with Mussolini driving.
During their drive, Mussolini hit and killed a child. Mussolini did not even stop the car, telling Vanderbilt as he grabbed his knee, "Never look back, Mr. Vanderbilt, never look back in life." Mussolini passed off his hit and run incident with the observation that one life was insignificant when compared to the affairs of state.
Butler's comments caused an international outcry, and Butler was arrested and court-martialed by Henry Stimson, the Secretary of War, and ordered to publicly recant. He never apologized to Mussolini, and instead retired. Today, Butler looks like a prophet. The incident was the first time that Mussolini's image was tarnished in America. Back in 1931, Fascism was the up-and-coming form of government.
- Jul 26, 2007 4:48 pm (#2930 of 2984)
http://feralhouse.com/press/warisaracket/index.html
This guy was onto war profiteering before Eisenhower was.
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm --The online version of the above mentioned book from Brigadier General Smedley D. Butler.
An interesting read from an interesting man.
ben dog
- Jul 26, 2007 6:45 pm (#2931 of 2984)
Very well -- I'll bide my time -- and as
for you, my fine lady, it's true, I can't
attend to you here and now as I'd like, but
just try to stay out of my way.... - just try! I'll get you, my...pretty, and your little dog, too!
(laughs)
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070725/480/3cf08ea15cef416ea21469ea3452e374&g=events/iraq/082701iraqplane;_ylt=Alm.jzUXYiuasvu.MzAtfUVh24cA
- Jul 27, 2007 7:53 pm (#2932 of 2984)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ
The new George Patton rant about the current war.
- Jul 28, 2007 7:13 pm (#2933 of 2984)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/world/middleeast/28reconstruct.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1185642208-TC2iUTTScL3KNNYzh1CRmw&oref=slogin
(Everything is up-to-date in Baghdad.)
The United States often promotes the number of rebuilding projects, like power plants and hospitals, that have been completed in Iraq, citing them as signs of progress in a nation otherwise fraught with violence and political stalemate.
But closer examination by the inspector general’s office, headed by Stuart W. Bowen Jr., has found that a number of individual projects are crumbling, abandoned or otherwise inoperative only months after the United States declared that they had been successfully completed.
The United States always intended to hand over projects to the Iraqi government when they were completed.
(Maybe the US should've allowed foreign country construction companies as well as the Iraqi population to participate in rebuilding the Iraqi infrastructure and surrounding devastation which our military destroyed..? Nah, that would've cut too much of the carpetbagging pie away from KBR and Haliburton)
- Jul 28, 2007 11:55 pm (#2934 of 2984)
Putting your money where your mouth will most likely be...Hats off to Michael Douglas! Bravo, dude...bravo -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=470997&in_page_id=1773
- Jul 29, 2007 12:16 am (#2935 of 2984)
BushCo to the world: FUCK YOU, we can ignore this all by ourselves!
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Report_details_US_refusals_of_foreign_0727.html
- Jul 29, 2007 10:12 pm (#2936 of 2984)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070729/bloomberg-sexual-harassment/
It's only harrassment when those girls complain...It's a great night to remember (generally) when they wink and smile.
( Comments attributed in the suit to Bloomberg include: "I'd f--- that in a second," "I'd like to do that," and "That's a great piece of a--."
Once, according to the suit, Bloomberg pointed out a young female employee and told Garrison, "If you looked like that, I would do you in a second."
Bloomberg asked the woman who sued if she was giving her boyfriend "good" oral sex.
He said "I'd like to do that" and "That's a great piece of a--" to describe women in the office.
"I like theater, dining and chasing women," he once told a reporter. "Let me put it this way: I am a single, straight billionaire in Manhattan. What do you think? It's a wet dream." )
Fck'n A Straight - I know who I'm voting for in November of 2008. We need a man who thinks with his dick - after knowing the true score - instead of following his 2nd in command like a little puppy.
- Jul 31, 2007 2:34 pm (#2937 of 2984)
Fck'n A Straight - I know who I'm voting for in November of 2008. We need a man who thinks with his dick - after knowing the true score - instead of following his 2nd in command like a little puppy.
Is that a reference to Cheney/Bush or Bill/Hillary?
Eye Patch
- Jul 31, 2007 7:12 pm (#2938 of 2984)
UH...OH.... something positive from the nytimes no less...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/o...3&ex=1186027200
July 30, 2007
Op-Ed Contributor
A WAR WE JUST MIGHT WIN
By MICHAEL E. O’HANLON and KENNETH M. POLLACK
Washington
VIEWED from Iraq, where we just spent eight days meeting with American and Iraqi military and civilian personnel, the political debate in Washington is surreal. The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration’s critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place.
Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration’s miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily “victory” but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.
After the furnace-like heat, the first thing you notice when you land in Baghdad is the morale of our troops. In previous trips to Iraq we often found American troops angry and frustrated — many sensed they had the wrong strategy, were using the wrong tactics and were risking their lives in pursuit of an approach that could not work.
Today, morale is high. The soldiers and marines told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results, and they feel now they have the numbers needed to make a real difference.
Everywhere, Army and Marine units were focused on securing the Iraqi population, working with Iraqi security units, creating new political and economic arrangements at the local level and providing basic services — electricity, fuel, clean water and sanitation — to the people. Yet in each place, operations had been appropriately tailored to the specific needs of the community. As a result, civilian fatality rates are down roughly a third since the surge began — though they remain very high, underscoring how much more still needs to be done.
In Ramadi, for example, we talked with an outstanding Marine captain whose company was living in harmony in a complex with a (largely Sunni) Iraqi police company and a (largely Shiite) Iraqi Army unit. He and his men had built an Arab-style living room, where he met with the local Sunni sheiks — all formerly allies of Al Qaeda and other jihadist groups — who were now competing to secure his friendship.
In Baghdad’s Ghazaliya neighborhood, which has seen some of the worst sectarian combat, we walked a street slowly coming back to life with stores and shoppers. The Sunni residents were unhappy with the nearby police checkpoint, where Shiite officers reportedly abused them, but they seemed genuinely happy with the American soldiers and a mostly Kurdish Iraqi Army company patrolling the street. The local Sunni militia even had agreed to confine itself to its compound once the Americans and Iraqi units arrived.
We traveled to the northern cities of Tal Afar and Mosul. This is an ethnically rich area, with large numbers of Sunni Arabs, Kurds and Turkmens. American troop levels in both cities now number only in the hundreds because the Iraqis have stepped up to the plate. Reliable police officers man the checkpoints in the cities, while Iraqi Army troops cover the countryside. A local mayor told us his greatest fear was an overly rapid American departure from Iraq. All across the country, the dependability of Iraqi security forces over the long term remains a major question mark.
But for now, things look much better than before. American advisers told us that many of the corrupt and sectarian Iraqi commanders who once infested the force have been removed. The American high command assesses that more than three-quarters of the Iraqi Army battalion commanders in Baghdad are now reliable partners (at least for as long as American forces remain in Iraq).
In addition, far more Iraqi units are well integrated in terms of ethnicity and religion. The Iraqi Army’s highly effective Third Infantry Division started out as overwhelmingly Kurdish in 2005. Today, it is 45 percent Shiite, 28 percent Kurdish, and 27 percent Sunni Arab.
In the past, few Iraqi units could do more than provide a few “jundis” (soldiers) to put a thin Iraqi face on largely American operations. Today, in only a few sectors did we find American commanders complaining that their Iraqi formations were useless — something that was the rule, not the exception, on a previous trip to Iraq in late 2005.
The additional American military formations brought in as part of the surge, General Petraeus’s determination to hold areas until they are truly secure before redeploying units, and the increasing competence of the Iraqis has had another critical effect: no more whack-a-mole, with insurgents popping back up after the Americans leave.
In war, sometimes it’s important to pick the right adversary, and in Iraq we seem to have done so. A major factor in the sudden change in American fortunes has been the outpouring of popular animus against Al Qaeda and other Salafist groups, as well as (to a lesser extent) against Moktada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army.
These groups have tried to impose Shariah law, brutalized average Iraqis to keep them in line, killed important local leaders and seized young women to marry off to their loyalists. The result has been that in the last six months Iraqis have begun to turn on the extremists and turn to the Americans for security and help. The most important and best-known example of this is in Anbar Province, which in less than six months has gone from the worst part of Iraq to the best (outside the Kurdish areas). Today the Sunni sheiks there are close to crippling Al Qaeda and its Salafist allies. Just a few months ago, American marines were fighting for every yard of Ramadi; last week we strolled down its streets without body armor.
Another surprise was how well the coalition’s new Embedded Provincial Reconstruction Teams are working. Wherever we found a fully staffed team, we also found local Iraqi leaders and businessmen cooperating with it to revive the local economy and build new political structures. Although much more needs to be done to create jobs, a new emphasis on microloans and small-scale projects was having some success where the previous aid programs often built white elephants.
In some places where we have failed to provide the civilian manpower to fill out the reconstruction teams, the surge has still allowed the military to fashion its own advisory groups from battalion, brigade and division staffs. We talked to dozens of military officers who before the war had known little about governance or business but were now ably immersing themselves in projects to provide the average Iraqi with a decent life.
Outside Baghdad, one of the biggest factors in the progress so far has been the efforts to decentralize power to the provinces and local governments. But more must be done. For example, the Iraqi National Police, which are controlled by the Interior Ministry, remain mostly a disaster. In response, many towns and neighborhoods are standing up local police forces, which generally prove more effective, less corrupt and less sectarian. The coalition has to force the warlords in Baghdad to allow the creation of neutral security forces beyond their control.
In the end, the situation in Iraq remains grave. In particular, we still face huge hurdles on the political front. Iraqi politicians of all stripes continue to dawdle and maneuver for position against one another when major steps towards reconciliation — or at least accommodation — are needed. This cannot continue indefinitely. Otherwise, once we begin to downsize, important communities may not feel committed to the status quo, and Iraqi security forces may splinter
Eye Patch
- Jul 31, 2007 7:13 pm (#2939 of 2984)
along ethnic and religious lines.
How much longer should American troops keep fighting and dying to build a new Iraq while Iraqi leaders fail to do their part? And how much longer can we wear down our forces in this mission? These haunting questions underscore the reality that the surge cannot go on forever.
But there is enough good happening on the battlefields of Iraq today that Congress should plan on sustaining the effort at least into 2008.
Michael E. O’Hanlon is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Kenneth M. Pollack is the director of research at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings.
Formerly Cal
- Jul 31, 2007 7:26 pm (#2940 of 2984)
Uh, oh...How will Hillary flop back to supporting the war?
- Jul 31, 2007 7:29 pm (#2941 of 2984)
when oil prices go through the roof.......after we leave
Eye Patch
- Jul 31, 2007 7:55 pm (#2942 of 2984)
when oil prices go through the roof.......after we leave
well Venezuela is just down the road and in this hemisphere no less. I can't really see a majority of Catholics strapping on bombs and blowing up their own people.... but I could be wrong.
like I was wrong about believing the surge would not work.... no problem eating crow here.
- Jul 31, 2007 8:05 pm (#2943 of 2984)
What do you think was so secret about Cheney's energy policy meetings in early 2001 which needs to be NEVER SEEN by the public?
"We gotta have unfettered advice given to this administration, which cannot be shared with the world" About energy dependence or reliance?
Here, have another pitcher of koolaid.
- Jul 31, 2007 8:06 pm (#2944 of 2984)
Okay, so a coupla guys from The Brookings Institute claim The Surge is working.
"Do you have that in Cherry?"
Formerly Cal
- Jul 31, 2007 8:27 pm (#2945 of 2984)
...Says the huffington post paster.
What's your preferred flavor?
- Jul 31, 2007 8:28 pm (#2946 of 2984)
I like Cherry.
And that post from the NY Times was in Huff Post. As sarcasm.
Eye Patch
- Jul 31, 2007 8:29 pm (#2947 of 2984)
so you believe only what you want to believe.... despite coming from a newspaper you quote all the time.
Now who is drinking kool-aid
Formerly Cal
- Jul 31, 2007 8:32 pm (#2948 of 2984)
Isn't Brooking's left of Ted Kennedy?
- Jul 31, 2007 8:41 pm (#2949 of 2984)
You believe your war-monger appreciative articles, and I believe the anti-war monger articles.
The truth of the matter is that neither you, Patch, nor I, nor (to my knowledge) anyone who posts here...have seen action in that pot-boiler over there.
I didn't want to see the US invade Iraq. I don't know what you wanted to see happen.
I fatigued on reading this shit about three years ago, Cal. And I post what other people have seen and written about. What little good there has been and what a lot of bad shit has occurred.
America cannot win in Iraq. The first Bush admin knew that. Clinton knew it. Launch some Tomahawks on occasion and primarily use it as a training ground for our Navy and Air Force pilots patrolling the No-Fly-Zone. Enforce sanctions and let'em die slowly from depleted uranium 'we' left there in the first gulf war.
Allow their oil to be bought by the other nations of the world and further depress world wide oil prices.
These fcktards come in and decide on world dominance, as well as giving their buddies billions in war profiteering.
You and me and everyone else, pay up. Have more koolaid. Deal with it.
- Jul 31, 2007 8:42 pm (#2950 of 2984)
A Republican friend of mine emailed me that article yesterday. My response was: "I hope he's right. I really hope he's right and the surge IS working"
Formerly Cal
- Jul 31, 2007 8:47 pm (#2951 of 2984)
Should the surge work, it puts Democrats in an awkward situation.
Eye Patch
- Jul 31, 2007 9:04 pm (#2952 of 2984)
These fcktards come in and decide on world dominance,
world dominance... oh my.
Now I don't want to be a grammar nazi but could you please quit butchering the English language... it makes you look... well you know.
- Jul 31, 2007 9:12 pm (#2953 of 2984)
Is the surge going to last til September or March '08 or January '10?
The only surge I ever seen work, was me into her pelvis. I suspect you guys know of what I'm referring to. Ponch and Buster, notwithstanding.
More power to those poor bastards serving over in Iraq.
The USA will be there forever.
- Jul 31, 2007 9:14 pm (#2954 of 2984)
The USA will be there forever
yep.....and if don't like how the fuck things are going over there, don't join the military
- Jul 31, 2007 9:16 pm (#2955 of 2984)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070731/us-iraq-troops/
Bet you can find this on NewsMax too.
- Jul 31, 2007 10:08 pm (#2956 of 2984)
Should the surge work, it puts Democrats in an awkward situation
Puts a few Republicans in an awkward position, too. Dems aren't the only ones who have wanted a new "stratgery" in Iraq.
Churro
- Jul 31, 2007 10:36 pm (#2957 of 2984)
The surge doesn't mean shit if the Iraqi gov't continues taking month long vacations and the troops can't make those people in power do anything to improve Iraq. You can't buy someone a car, hand them the keys and have them drive it where you want to go if they don't want a car in the first place.
- Aug 1, 2007 3:26 am (#2958 of 2984)
Come on antichrist - lets just get it over with...... But can it wait till after hockey season?
- Aug 1, 2007 4:14 pm (#2959 of 2984)
No.
- Aug 1, 2007 10:40 pm (#2960 of 2984)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/31/AR2007073102163.html?hpid=topnews
- Aug 1, 2007 11:16 pm (#2961 of 2984)
We in the modern antiwar movement often speak about the need to be antiwar but pro-troop. This concept often finds itself in conflict with the argument that in order to best support the troops, one must also support their mission. I support the armed forces of the United States, and their mission of protecting America from its enemies. This does not make me pro-war, in the same way that supporting America’s firefighters in their effort to combat fire doesn’t make me pro-fire. However, many Americans fail to understand the difference between supporting a soldier’s mission and supporting war. I support firefighters, but hate fire. I understand that sometimes fires occur, and when they do I want a professional, highly trained, well-led and well-equipped firefighting team to respond to the situation. But I, as a citizen and a firefighter, also recognize that the best way to handle fire is to prevent fires from occurring. As such, I am a huge proponent of fire prevention across the entire spectrum of American life.
I likewise support a professional military, well equipped and highly trained, because I am all too aware that there may be threats to my country that require military action. But I hate war. If we handled fire in America in the same cavalier way we handle war, we would be giving civic awards to arsonists. But we recognize destructive fire as an evil, and we condemn those who set destructive fires deliberately. It is high time we provide the same social stigma to those who promote war. The antiwar movement needs to find a way to convince the American public that supporting the antiwar cause is like supporting fire prevention, advocating a “war prevention” mentality that embraces the military just as our community embraces firefighters, but rejects those who promote war as policy with the same repudiation and disgust we show those who commit acts of arson.
If you’re in the antiwar movement, and you’re looking for a specific cause to support, I can think of none better than a call for national service that would strengthen the bond between citizen and nation.
But don’t try to sell this to the ongoing train wreck that is Cindy Sheehan’s “Summer of Love 2007” tour. Besides failing to generate a following that could be called significant and balanced numerically or ideologically, Sheehan has attacked one of the strongest antiwar advocates in the U.S. Congress, Rep. John Conyers, and made a joke of herself and her followers in the process. Before she destroys whatever vestige of credibility is left to her as a mainstream activist, I would advise Sheehan and those who are marching with her (some of whom I count as my friends and colleagues) to take a pause and read my book “Waging Peace: The Art of War for the Antiwar Movement.” The ideas and concepts set forth on strategy, operations and tactics, as well as gathering intelligence and knowing your enemy and battlefield, might have enabled Sheehan to plan and execute a more coherent and effective return from retirement.
I’m not asking Sheehan to “retire” yet again; far from it. I simply want her to regroup and reconsider her hate-filled rhetoric and radical associations. The Cindy Sheehan who gracefully and effectively challenged George Bush in Crawford during the summer of 2005 had mainstream appeal. The Sheehan who gets herself arrested attacking those in Congress who are most sympathetic to getting our nation out of the Iraq debacle does not. Apply the lessons of “The Art of War” to your past experiences, Cindy, and tell us where you went right in Crawford and where we could have helped you more, and understand why what you are doing today, while undoubtedly well intentioned, is so utterly self-destructive not only for you but the antiwar movement as a whole. The Cindy Sheehan of Crawford fame was someone I was proud to associate with. Sadly, the Cindy Sheehan of today remains for me and most other Americans an enigma wrapped in a puzzle, surrounded by radical fringe ideology so far removed from the mainstream as to be virtually unrecognizable and as such un-embraceable by the majority of Americans the future of our movement depends on for any hope of victory.
Scott Ritter was a Marine Corps intelligence officer from 1984 to 1991 and a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 to 1998.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page3/20070731_a_call_to_service/
- Aug 2, 2007 11:59 pm (#2962 of 2984)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/reporting-from-yearlykos_b_58906.html
(exerpted...)
It's a journey of healing, but also of one very special flag. The flag that once flew down at Ground Zero. But the moments of 9/11 are not included. No one needs to relive it, said the filmmakers, Ms. Stryon having volunteered at Ground Zero herself. The people mixing together in the film are of all political stripes, most of whom would never have come together in any other circumstance. Explosions inevitable if the subject of politics came up. But 9/12 - (The Movie) has nothing to do with politics.
The visuals are extraordinary. But the stories open your heart. Volunteers went in to dig with a "three pronged gardening tool," which gives you an idea of the scale of the carnage. A man nicknamed "Flag Man" got shortened to "fag man." He just replied, "but whatever." He had recently had an angioplasty, so he was sanguine about the slur: "If I drop dead, I want to drop dead with these people."
As Styron and Ochs said, the people volunteering weren't naive about the hell they were walking into.
Volunteering wasn't easy after 9/11, because a lot of people who lived in the community were turned away. But that didn't stop these New Yorkers. If you weren't union you couldn't "dig" in the rubble, as one woman put it. So she and others set up a "mini-triage" unit to wash out eyes and offer supplies. They found a way to get it done, get down into the rubble and make a difference; like the people who put together a place called "The Hard Hat" cafe.
"I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry." That's what one woman said as she walked the hallowed ground because she realized she was "stepping on them."
- Aug 3, 2007 2:55 am (#2963 of 2984)
ben dog
- Aug 3, 2007 4:59 pm (#2964 of 2984)
Campaign Dongs, I mean songs
Hillary Clinton
I am woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an' pretend
'cause I've heard it all before
And I've been down there on the floor
No one's ever gonna keep me down again
CHORUS
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
You can bend but never break me
'cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
'cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul
CHORUS
I am woman watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin' arms across the land
But I'm still an embryo
With a long long way to go
Until I make my brother understand
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to I can face anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
Oh, I am woman
I am invincibleI am strong
FADE
I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
I am woman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Woman
--
Rudy
And now, the end is near;
And so I face the final curtain.
My friend, Ill say it clear,
Ill state my case, of which Im certain.
Ive lived a life thats full.
Ive traveled each and evry highway;
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Regrets, Ive had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.
I planned each charted course;
Each careful step along the byway,
But more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Yes, there were times, Im sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew.
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall;
And did it my way.
Ive loved, Ive laughed and cried.Ive had my fill; my share of losing.
And now, as tears subside,
I find it all so amusing.
To think I did all that;
And may I say - not in a shy way,
No, oh no not me,
I did it my way.
For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels;
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/154212/rudy_giuliani_in_drag/
Edwards
If I had a hammer,
Id hammer in the morning
Id hammer in the evening,
All over this land
Id hammer out danger,
Id hammer out a warning,
Id hammer out love between my brothers and my sisters,
All over this land.
If I had a bell,
Id ring it in the morning,
Id ring it in the evening,
All over this land
Id ring out danger,
Id ring out a warning
Id ring out love between my brothers and my sisters,
All over this land.
If I had a song,
Id sing it in the morning,
Id sing it in the evening,All over this land
Id sing out danger,
Id sing out a warning
Id sing out love between my brothers and my sisters,
All over this land.
Well I got a hammer,
And I got a bell,
And I got a song to sing, all over this land.
Its the hammer of justice,
Its the bell of freedom,
Its the song about love between my brothers and my sisters,
All over this land.
Its the hammer of justice,
Its the bell of freedom,
Its the song about love between my brothers and my sisters,
All over this land
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger
McCain
INTRO
1. (Verse 1)
C E F C
I'm sittin alone, Saturday night, watching the Late Late Show.
C E F C
A bottle of wine, some cigarettes, I got no place to go.
A G F C
Well, I saw your other man today; he was wearing my brand new shoes,
G F C
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.
(Verse 2)
Well, I met my old friend Bob today from up in Bowling Green;
He had the prettiest little gal that I'd ever seen.
But I couldn't hide my tears at all, cause she looked just like you,
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.
F C F C
Now everybody tells me there's other ways to get high.
F C A D G
They don't seem to understand I'm too far gone to try.
C E F C
Now these lonely memories, they're all I can't lose,
G F C
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.
{Verse solo, fiddle/steel}
(Verse 3):
{first line spoken}
Well my dog died just yesterday and left me all alone.
The finance company dropped by today and repossessed my home.
That's just a drop in the bucket compared to losing you,
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.
TAG:
C Got the Down to Seeds and Stems again Blues
http://www.commandercody.com/
http://www.commandercody.com/Bloopers/Bloopers.htm
obama
Hey! Matilda, Matilda, Matilda, she take me money and run 1. Venezuela.Once again now!
Matilda, Matilda, Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.
Five hundred dollars, friends, I lost:
Woman even sell me cat and horse!
Heya! Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.
Everybody!
(Matilda,) Sing out the chorus,
(Matilda,) Sing a little louder,
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.
Once again now!
(Matilda,) Going 'round the corner,
(Matilda,) Sing out the chorus,
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.
Well, the money was to buy me house an' lan'
Then she got a serious plan,
A-hey, ah!
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.
Everybody!
(Matilda,
Matilda,
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.)
Once again now!
(Matilda,) Going 'round the corner,
(Matilda,
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.)
Well, the money was just inside me bed,
Stuck up in a pillow beneath me head.
Don't you know,
Matilda, she found me money and...
Everybody...
(Matilda,
Matilda,
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.)
Once again now!
(Matilda,) Hooma locka chimba,
(Matilda,) Bring me little water,
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.
Women over forty?
(Matilda,
Matilda,
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.)
Everybody!
(Matilda,) Goin' round the corner,
(Matilda,) Bring me little water,
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.Well, me friends, never to love again,
All me money gone in vain!
Uh, heya...
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.
Everybody!
(Matilda,
Matilda,) Oom, ba-locka-chimba!
(Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.)
Sing a little softer!
(Matilda,
Matilda,
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela.)
EVERYBODY!
(Matilda,
Matilda,) Sing out the chorus!
Matilda, she take me money and run Venezuela!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Belafonte
ron paul
Chicago
1. Graham Nash
So your brother's bound and gagged
And they chained him to a chair,
Won't you please come to Chicago
Just to sing.
In a land that's known as freedom,
How can such a thing be fair?
Won't you please come to Chicago
For the help that we can bring.
We can change the World.
Rearrange the World.
It's dying
to get better.
Politicians sit yourselves down,
There's nothing for you here.
Won't you please come to Chicago
For a ride.Don't ask Jack to help you
Cause he'll turn the other ear.
Won't you please come to Chicago
Or else join the other side.
We can change / yes we can change the World.
Rearrange / rearrange the World.
It's dying / do you believe in justice?
It's dying / and if you believe in freedom.
It's dying / Let a man live his own life.
It's dying / Rules and regulations who needs them?
Open up the
ben dog
- Aug 3, 2007 5:00 pm (#2965 of 2984)
door.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_David_Thoreau
ole Fred
Long about eighteen twenty-five
I left Tennessee very much alive.
Never would've gotten through the Arkansas mud
If I hadn't been a-ridin' on a Tennessee stud.
Tennessee stud was long and lean,
The color of the sun, his eyes were green.
He had the nerve and he had the blood,
There never was a horse like Tennessee stud.
Had some trouble with my sweetheart's Pa,
One of her brothers was a bad outlaw.
Sent her a letter about my uncle Fud
And I rode away on a Tennessee stud.
I rode on down through a beautiful land,
I ran smack into an Indian band,
Jumped their necks with a whoop and a yell
And I rode away like a bat out of hell.
Circled their camp a time or two
Just to show 'em what a Tennessee horse can do.
Redskin bucks couldn't get my bud
'Cause I was riding on a Tennessee stud.
So I rode on down through a beautiful land
Across the river called the Rio Grande,
Raced my horse with a spaniard's fold
And won me a sack full of silver and gold.
Me and a gambler, we couldn't agree,
Got in a fight over Tennessee.
Drew our guns and he fell with a thud
And I rode away on a Tennessee stud.
Tennessee stud is long and lean,
The color of the sun, his eyes are green.
He had the nerve and he had the blood,
There never was a horse like the Tennessee stud.
Got just as lonesome as a man can be,
Dreamed about my girl back in Tennessee.
Tennessee stud's green eyes turned blue
'Cause he was dreaming of his sweetheart, too.
So we loped on back 'cross Arkansas
And I whooped her mother and I whooped her pa.
ound that girl with the golden hair
And she was riding on a Tennessee mare.
Stirrup to stirrup and side by side
We crossed the mountains and the valleys wide,
Come to Big Muddy, but we forded the flood
On a Tennessee mare and a Tennessee stud.
Pretty little baby on the cabin floor,
ittle horses colt playing round the door.
I love the girl with the golden hair
And the Tennessee stud loves the Tennessee mare.
Tennessee stud is long and lean,
The color of the sun, his eyes are green,
He had the nerve and he had the blood,
There never was a horse like the Tennessee stud
Never was a horse like the Tennessee stud
Never was a horse like the Tennessee stud
Never was a horse like the Tennessee stud.
There never was a horse like the Tennessee stud
There never was a horse like the Tennessee stud ...
http://www.gaitedhorses.net/BreedArticles/twhfacts.htm 
- Aug 3, 2007 6:01 pm (#2966 of 2984)
lol
- Aug 3, 2007 8:06 pm (#2967 of 2984)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080202619.html?nav=hcmodule
( Someone finally steps up to the plate, and doesn't go down looking at the 3rd strike....Damned ACTIVIST judge! )
The judge, whose name could not be learned, concluded early this year that the government had overstepped its authority in attempting to broadly surveil communications between two locations overseas that are passed through routing stations in the United States, according to two other government sources familiar with the decision.
The decision was both a political and practical blow to the administration, which had long held that all of the National Security Agency's enhanced surveillance efforts since 2001 were legal. The administration for years had declined to subject those efforts to the jurisdiction of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, and after it finally did so in January the court ruled that the administration's legal judgment was at least partly wrong.
- Aug 3, 2007 8:40 pm (#2968 of 2984)
In the original version of the tale "The Three Little Pigs," Fred Thompson successfully blows the brick house down, turns the three pigs into BLTs, and makes a hat out of the big bad wolf.
- Aug 3, 2007 8:41 pm (#2969 of 2984)
Fred thompson lobby's for dictators. That's all i need to know. He's the same-old-same-old and that goes to DC and it needs to end.
- Aug 3, 2007 8:46 pm (#2970 of 2984)
I'm fck'n already tired of the 2008 campaigning.
Formerly Cal
- Aug 3, 2007 8:48 pm (#2971 of 2984)
I've been tired of politics my entire adult life.
- Aug 3, 2007 8:51 pm (#2972 of 2984)
politics is what has killed democracy
- Aug 3, 2007 8:55 pm (#2973 of 2984)
I see a few people here have had humorectomies. 
- Aug 3, 2007 8:59 pm (#2974 of 2984)
Yeah a DB crash will do that to ya.... ;o)
- Aug 3, 2007 9:26 pm (#2975 of 2984)
Progress to electricity grid and water purification in Baghdad: http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5021027.html
Is the Houston Chronicle, liberal leaning?
Maybe their schools in Baghdad, have new white paint on them, though?
- Aug 3, 2007 9:28 pm (#2976 of 2984)
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldline_Republican_warns_somethings_in_works_0719.html
Nixon era guys are even jittered out.
My bad, Reagan - dudes.
- Aug 3, 2007 9:30 pm (#2977 of 2984)
Old-line Republican warns 'something's in the works' to trigger a police state
oh yeah?...republicans felt that same "something" before y2k, except that something had to do with that evildoer President Bill Clinton.
- Aug 3, 2007 9:45 pm (#2978 of 2984)
It's been coming on, for years. You don't try to take over the world in one fell swoop.
I'm just hoping that our military isn't full of people who will march blindly to this or the following or the following administration's orders.
I'll admit and most of you know it already. I'm a liberal. It's not a bad word. Nor is being a conservative. I lean left and yet my right shoulder and foot is still on the opposite side of the fence. Okay, so I straddle the fence and my head's in the left forming clouds. I can live with that. I can live with you guys, who are drinking right-side koolaid, too.
I cannot deal with the extremists.
I try to keep my eyes and ears open. I've learned much: here...at a football forum board, of all places. Yup, even from you, SB.
- Aug 4, 2007 3:27 pm (#2979 of 2984)
It takes 20 years for a conservative to become a liberal without changing an idea.
- Aug 4, 2007 5:09 pm (#2980 of 2984)
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/08/03/newt0803.html
Gingrich says war on terror 'phony'
Former speaker says energy independence is key
- Aug 6, 2007 3:28 pm (#2981 of 2984)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0807/Mitt_unplugged.html
I have not watched this yet, but I plan to, maybe in four or five hours, heheh.
Need a couple cups of coffee first.
- Aug 6, 2007 4:10 pm (#2982 of 2984)
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070806_beyond_disaster/
Spot on, take.
ben dog
- Aug 6, 2007 4:18 pm (#2983 of 2984)
Happy foggy Monday. The candidates weigh in on their drink of choice
Richardson,
“Well, to be truthful, I’m single malt and Macundo man, but since people still don’t think I’m hispanic, I’ll say a Sol and some shitty stinky weed. .... What, what’d I say that was wrong?”
Mitt
"Alcohol has never touched my lips."
Kucinich,
“Great, just what we need. Another brain dead dry drunk who needs a blowjob just to jumpstart him outta psychosis. Laura, your country needs you. If your knees are rusty, take some celebrex and help us all out here. As for me, I’m pretty much a Pouilly-Fuisse’ and St.-Emilion Man.
McCain,
“Well, I’m on so much celebrex and pepcid AC that I really can’t drink at all, but one of my ex-wives got rich with a budwieser distributorship. So, if I could drink, I’d have to drink one of Auggie’s products, but I’m broke, so I guess I’d be BuschLight.”
Edwards,
“I drink Bud light because that’s what the common man must drink.”
Rudi,
“I just get drunk on power.”
Ole Fred,
“Makers Mark, over shaved ice, with just a sprinklin’ of sugar and a sprig of mint.”
Ron Paul,
“Sauza and Sangrita. But if people wanna grow nasty stinky weed, Hell, its’s supposed to be a free country.”
Hill,
“Blood Orange Cosmo
BLOOD ORANGE COSMOPOLITAN
Juice of 1 Blood Orange
1 oz. Stoli Oranj
1/2 oz. Cointreau
Splash of fresh lime juice
Combine above ingredients into shaker filled with cracked ice and strain into chilled cocktail glass.
And a single rock hard cranberry I tickle with my tongue.”
- Aug 6, 2007 4:20 pm (#2984 of 2984)
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